Comment posted on Satan the Scapegoat by The Armchair Antichrist

Whether you want a debate or not that will probably happen when you present those kinds of ideas here. Then again I am not getting a debate here am I?

What has been said in your reply if it makes any sense would only in the context of the mythology. But, as it is still very much mythology and has little to no evidential basis it would be pointless to continue arguing over it.

If you have anything other than bible verses, C.S. Lewis quotes, and praises for God such as tangible evidence or even a rational argument I will entertain it. Otherwise, it would be the same as if we argued over Harry Potter or some other fictional story.

The Armchair Antichrist also commented

• I would gladly discuss rationally and logically about it, but you just threw back at me a bunch of assumptions without backing them up. Preaching does not help discussion.

  Even within the context of the mythology God needs to live up to those attributes before they can be said to apply to him. So, for example, saying that God is love doesn't count for anything. Even within the context of the mythology there can be inconsistencies. But, presuppositions will not do anything to dispel them.

  In the end, John Piper and I came to the same conclusion, that Satan is the minion of God. But, this brings up a contradiction in that Satan as clever as he is made to be willingly goes up against God knowing all well that he will be destroyed by him. Furthermore, God uses Satan to glorify him which is a vain and selfish act. This is an act that could be only seen to be beneficial if you follow God. Please, note that there is a difference between being a follower of God and merely granting that he exists, i.e. the within the context of the mythology bit.

  Do you feel me?

• That you need to suffer the torment of Satan to glorify God only shows how vain, megalomaniacal, and uncaring of a bully he is. If he cared more about humanity and less about his own glory he would not even have let Satan happen much less let him reek havoc on the world for so long.
• I don't see how what he said adds anything to what I have written. God uses Satan to make himself look better. He uses Satan to glorify himself. But, of course God looks better in comparison to Satan.

  He also says that if we don't agree with how God runs things we will perish. And we are right back to might is right. He needs to presume that God exists and is good to justify belief and faith in God. This is just one huge circular argument.

  This video might quell a Christian's doubts, but it will not have any effect on a rational atheist.

Recent comments by The Armchair Antichrist

• Refuting Atheism
  One should hold all textual sources in suspect. Holy texts even more so. The Christian bible in particular was written and revised over thousands of years to reflect certain themes and to push certain political agendas. It was not immaculately sent from God. The bible you have right now is nothing in comparison to what it was in the beginning. Stories have been added and stories have been taken away etc. etc.

  But, that is not the crux of it. Using the bible to prove God is circular reasoning. God exists because it says so in the bible that God wrote? Sure.

  You think it is unreasonable to not believe in the supernatural? Do you even understand what the word means? Supernatural means beyond the natural world and not explainable by natural laws. This means we have to rely on testimony which is highly unreliable. So, you have no real evidence, but you want people to believe. That’s not how it works.

  Why are you talking about materialism now for? If materialism is not true does that make the supernatural true?

  So you want to discount the eyewitness testimony of all those other phenomena, but priviledge the testimony of people who supposedly saw Jesus resurrected?

  You do understand that just because people write things down it doesn’t make them true, right?

  That’s why corroborating evidence is important in history. Tacitus and his ‘chrestians’ doesn’t count.

  Please don’t comment anymore if you’re just going to reuse recycled Christian apologetics.

• Refuting Atheism
  Well you can. It just takes evidence.
• Refuting Atheism
  The way history is done it is impossible to conclude that Jesus rose from the dead.

  http://thearmchairantichrist.com/2009/08/27/historicity/

  Please stop trying to shift the burden of proof.

  Thanks!

• Refuting Atheism
  I am sure you believe the resurrection is a 'fact'. And I am sure you believe there is 'historical evidence' for it. The link you provide is full of the same apologetic drivel that has been debunked time and time again.

  “if he was not raised, then certainly all Christians are some of the most deceived fools in the world. “

  I think that is much more probable. Appealing to a large number of people is a very poor way to defend a point. You could say the same with Islam, Buddhism, and all the other religions.

• Refuting Atheism
  I am sure you believe the resurrection is a ‘fact’. And I am sure you believe there is ‘historical evidence’ for it. The link you provide is full of the same apologetic drivel that has been debunked time and time again.

  “if he was not raised, then certainly all Christians are some of the most deceived fools in the world. ”

  I think that is much more probable. Appealing to a large number of people is a very poor way to defend a point. You could say the same with Islam, Buddhism, and all the other religions.

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